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Sunday, October 03, 2004
You didn't have to be so nice.
I was at a friends house today and noticed that her daughter was watching the MTV Video Music Awards again. When the Kerry girls came onstage I said "Oh watch this!". Yes, this was the moment that the Kerry girls got booed. Only they did not get booed. MTV edited out the booes and inserted cheers even going so far as to show the crowd applauding loudly. The girls were completely calm and even the background had changed. Alexis didn't even have to lift her finger too shush the crowd. But the best part? The Bush girls were completely taken out. How is that for free speech? Only the Kerry girls are allowed free speech, not the VMA crowd and most certainly not the Bush girls.
By they way, have you ever noticed that nobody sees things more black and white than our friends on the left do? Anything that a liberal Democrat does is perfect, no matter what it is {White} while anything that a conservative Republican does is evil and wrong, no matter what it is{Black}?
Anyway, I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe my ears as I listened to my fellow Republicans slam Bush after the first presidential debate. I understand you think he's next to God but he really isn't. You got the real Bush on Thursday night and were suprised by him. Was he really so different Thursday night then he was during his acceptance speech? And don't tell me how tired he was, I know he's tired, he's the President.
This is going to be a real shocker to you Republicans who think Bush looked terrible during that first debate, but I got to tell you, He isn't the most eloquent speaker. Where have you folks been?
One thing that is being missed by my fellow conservatives is that the Democrats are betting everything on their view that the American public is stupid. The American public is not stupid. They do realize what's at stake, they do realize that the Senator isn't straight forward. They do realize that Kerry IS the anti-Iraq candidate while Bush is the pro-Iraq candidate. Kerry, has only given credibilty to Bush's decision to take out Hussien. John Kerry admitted that we did the right thing with Iraq. Everything the Democrat party has been saying about Bush the entire time has been flushed down the John by Kerry. Bush knew he did the right thing, and now we know he did the right thing. Thank you Senator Kerry.
Immediately after the debates in 2000, the consensus was that ALGORE had won. After each debate, the numbers would show a clear victory for ALGORE. Yet, ALGORE did not get the lead he expected from the debates. Gore supposedly won, but what good is it to win the debates, if you do not convince your audience to vote for you? ALGORE didn't do it, niether did John Kerry.
In fact, I want to ask you to think back to the debates and tell me, after seeing them side by side, Who would you rather have a beer with? Who would you rather watch the superbowl with? Bush might have looked terrible, but I'd rather have a beer with Bush, I'd rather watch the Superbowl with Bush, I'd rather vote for Bush. I trust Bush over Kerry, so will the American public.
It's that simple, Kerry came off as being fake, unbelieveable, like the high school Barbie who will smile through anything, yet doesn't treat people with respect. John Kerry just looked fake. That smile Kerry had really disturbed me, it was just fake.
But let's get to the substance of the debate....since you folks are too busy whining over your new discovery that Bush has speech problems. Let's take a serious look at Kerry's speech problems.
"The president hasn't put one nickel, not one nickel into the effort to fix some of our tunnels and bridges and most exposed subway systems. That's why they had to close down the subway in New York when the Republican Convention was there. We hadn't done the work that ought to be done.
The president -- 95 percent of the containers that come into the ports, right here in Florida, are not inspected. Civilians get onto aircraft, and their luggage is X-rayed, but the cargo hold is not X- rayed." ---- Senator Kerry, are you proposing a police state?
"When I was in a rope line just the other day, coming out here from Wisconsin, a couple of young returnees were in the line, one active duty, one from the Guard. And they both looked at me and said: We need you. You've got to help us over there."----Oh Senator, you wait in rope lines? Well, maybe next time I'll be in line with you.
"And what we need now is a president who understands how to bring these other countries together to recognize their stakes in this. They do have stakes in it. They've always had stakes in it."-----I'm glad you feel that way Senator, so what do you have to say about our current allies?
"But you can't tell me that when the most troops any other country has on the ground is Great Britain, with 8,300, and below that the four others are below 4,000, and below that, there isn't anybody out of the hundreds, that we have a genuine coalition to get this job done." So Senator, are you saying that our current allies are unimportant? With your election, will they withdraw? Well what else do you have to say about coalition building?
"We could have bilateral talks with Kim Jong Il. And we can get those weapons at the same time as we get China. Because China has an interest in the outcome, too."-----So you won't build a coalition in dealing with North Korea? Would you deal with them unilaterally if necessary?
"It [IRAQ] was a threat. That's not the issue. The issue is what you do about it."-----------Senator Kerry, thank you for admitting that Iraq was a threat, and we did do something about it instead of waiting around for Iraq to become a much bigger threat.
Posted at 12:14 am by Avman
 |  |  | Rob W October 5, 2004 03:42 PM PDT
Jeremy,
Apology accepted. Now, how about a cite to some of those figures. Not just a round number, but actual Pentagon numbers as in the Reuters story. Let's get this conversation going on real facts. If you want to dispute my facts, give me some other ones of a precise nature. The numbers Reuters provided came from DoD figures. We are in trouble there and the President has been unwilling to admit it. I have a sneaking suspicion that he will admit it tommorow in his "special speech." |  |
  |  |  | Jeremy October 5, 2004 12:01 AM PDT
Rob W,
I am NAME. Screwed up the title.
Over the past few days I've heard people from everywhere come out and say all sorts of "other" numbers. They were usually 22K to 50K. I retract my puppet statement. The 50K comes from the DNC site. The 22K appears to come from the "minimally effective" number you sited. The "revised" question is now: what is the REAL number. Both Bush and Allawi (the puppet as per the DNC, I'll give quotes if you would like) give a number of 100,000 trained. However, there is another quote by Allawi saying 50,000? Which one is right? Multiple papers are saying multiple things.
Again, sorry about the puppet thing. Ever since Joe Lockheart called Allawi a puppet I've been rather liberal with the word. |  |
  |  |  | Rob W October 4, 2004 02:58 PM PDT
Jeff,
I stand corrected. OK other guy, comments originally directed to Jeff are directed to you.
Rob
p.s. Sorry about my screwed up comment. |  |
  |  |  | Jeffery October 4, 2004 01:00 PM PDT
That wasn't me, that was somebody who left the name 'Name' there. When I comment in the comment section, I post my name. |  |
  |  |  | Rob W October 4, 2004 08:57 AM PDT
Also Jeffrey, please don't accuse me of "puppeting" numbers. I assure you, I do my research, and provide actual citiations to that of which I speak. Good, democractic, free debate should not include personal attacks. Argumentation is the art of debating about arguments and their premises, not going after someone personally. That said, I will continue to return here, as I love to argue. |  |
  |  |  | Rob W October 4, 2004 08:50 AM PDT
As to the 100,000, I refer you to the following quote from an article from Reuters, found at http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=590914§ion=news
"90,000 currently in the police force, only 8,169 have had the full eight-week academy training. Another 46,176 are listed as "untrained," and it will be July 2006 before the administration reaches its new goal of a 135,000-strong, fully trained police force.
Six Army battalions have had "initial training," while 57 National Guard battalions, 896 soldiers in each, are still being recruited or "awaiting equipment." Just eight Guard battalions have reached "initial (operating) capability," and the Pentagon acknowledged the Guard's performance has been "uneven."
Training has yet to begin for the 4,800-man civil intervention force, which will help counter a deadly insurgency. And none of the 18,000 border enforcement guards have received any centralised training to date, despite earlier claims they had, according to Democrats on the U.S. House of Representatives Appropriations Committee.
They estimated that 22,700 Iraqi personnel have received enough basic training to make them "minimally effective at their tasks," in contrast to the 100,000 figure cited by Bush."
These are real numbers Jeff. I want to win in Iraq as much as the next guy--we owe the Iraqi's that. But let's be honest here, things aren't going as well as they should. We have the best armed forces in the world, but aren't winning. Yet Bush continues to insist we are. One of the things a commander owes his troops his honesty about the situation they are going into. Bush refuses to do that for political reasons.
Rob |  |
  |  |  | Rob W October 4, 2004 08:46 AM PDT
Jeff,
From what I heard, what had happened at the VMA was that while the Kerry children were up on stage at the VMA's, video of the Bush kids went up on the video. Although the Kerry daughters attempted to stop it, the VMA audience booed the President's daughters. Regardless of who was booed it wasn't the decent thing to do. People should show respect for others. |  |
  |  |  | Name October 4, 2004 02:05 AM PDT
If Rob W would like to take note that the number of 100,000 came from Tommy Franks. And the BS number you were supposed to puppet was 50-60,000 not 8,000.
Jeffrey,
I hope you don't mind if I link this article with special attention to the VMA incident? I heard about the boos too. |  |
  |  |  | Rob W October 4, 2004 12:53 AM PDT
Turns out Kerry convinced a lot of people to vote for him. All three post debate polls show Kerry ahead or tied.
And he didn't lie. Bush claimed that 100,000 Iraqi troops were fighting along side us. Turns out only 8000 have been trained and it will take until 2006 until the full complement promised by the Administration is ready. Face it, your boy blew it with the country. Gigantic deficits, inability to win in Iraq, (Fallujah, Sadr, anyone), and Osama still running around. |  |
  |  |  | Rob October 4, 2004 12:49 AM PDT
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  |  |  | The Black Republican October 4, 2004 12:44 AM PDT
It'd be really nice if anyone in the MSM - even Fox - would recognize the difference between "winning the debate" and "convincing anyone to vote for them". Heck, even I think Kerry "won on points". That doesn't mean anyone should give him credit for being anything more than a slick, lying politician. And the overnight polls showed just that.
The American people are smarter than than a lot of people give them credit for. Bush by 7 on 11/2. |  |
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